All my dreams involve combing my hair

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I've watched 9 seasons of the simpsons in like 3 weeks.........

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The good seasons?

The sucky seasons?

The very sucky seasons?

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1-9

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I've only disliked one episode so far...

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I've only disliked one episode so far...

Which one?

Season 9 is when the show went downhill.

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That's really not entirely correct because season 11 was probably a low point but whatev

edit: I'll just edit it

edit: so wait are you unfamiliar with the decline

edit: which episode didn't you like

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

The death spiral began with that retarded episode where they buy the summer home

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10 reasons why The Simpsons sucks
Part I: Things which haven't changed, but don't work anymore

1. Marge just isn't a very good character

This was a fundamental flaw which was built into the structure of The Simpsons to begin with. Homer, Bart and Lisa are all brilliant, well-developed characters. Maggie is just a baby so she can't do much to begin with. But Marge... Marge is just a housewife. She's stuck in the past, stuck in a rut, and most episodes centering on her involve her climbing out of her rut, then falling back into it. There's no humour there. There's nothing to like. She's just the nagging good angel on Bart and Homer's shoulders. And that's a quarter of the main cast.

Interestingly, both Family Guy and American Dad - which rip off The Simpsons' "make fun of the traditional perfect American family" scenario - suffer from this same problem.

2. Same old setting, same old characters

For 350+ episodes and nearly two decades, nothing of significance has changed in the Simpsons universe. At all. Springfield and its inhabitants have all quickly become extremely firmly defined. They never change and never can - which, after so much time, makes them boring. And quite frankly, there's SO MUCH ROOM for things to change. The possibilities are endless and the existing archive of episodes is littered with wasted opportunities. What's Sideshow Mel's story? Why doesn't Herb Powell visit anymore? Just simply letting all the characters age a few years would do wonders! (And don't talk to me about those stupid episodes set in that bizarre Jetsons future.)

3. Exhausted format

25 minutes. Three acts. The status quo must always return at the end.

The plotlines that can fit comfortably into this timeframe began to run out somewhere around season five. By now they are essentially exhausted. The only way the writers have got around this is to compress longer plots into the time allowed, resulting in a show too fast-moving to have any harmony. The obvious solution is to move to longer plots - more two-part episodes, season-length story arcs, actual character development (see #2). I can only hope that the inevitable Simpsons movie takes advantage of the amount of time available to smell the roses, instead of working like a quadruple-length episode.

Part II: Things which have changed for the worse over time

4. Cold, artificial episode structure

Watch an early episode alongside a recent episode and you will understand what I am talking about here. The Simpsons used to have a wandering plotline. There were diversions - Bart joins the Boy Scouts (sorry, "Junior Campers"), as part of a primary plot line to get Homer, Bart, Ned and Rod stranded at sea, but before that we also get to see a few instances of Bart using his new trapping skills on Homer, just because it's funny. There were bits that were in there because they added scenery to the Simpsons family - there's an episode which opens with Lisa and her friends tormenting Bart during a slumber party, but has no connection to the main plot at all (well, Homer decides to go to the bar to escape the shenanigans, but no excuse was needed for that). The structure was fluid, imprecise, dynamic, organic - much like real life.

Now the plots have become so crowded (see #3), there's no time for indulgences. Everything, absolutely everything, follows the main plot line(s), to get us where we're going as quickly as possible, point to point. It's too fast, too rigid. Where's the soul?

5. Everything is played for laughs

The show was always comedy, but the jokes arose naturally - again, organically - from observational humour and witty writing. It wasn't really a sitcom in the traditional sense. At times it was even moving: take season two's "One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish" for example.

Nowadays the plot (such as it is, see #3) is little more than a support structure - a host body - for jokes. Everything is supposed to be funny: we've moved from an organic structure to a very pedestrian, monotonous sitcom-style joke/joke/joke/joke/joke grind. No pause, no drama, no feeling, no artistry - except in the designated spaces. You can't box stuff out like this.

6. No longer realistic

Don't burst out laughing at this one.

The Simpsons used to be about a family, and what they got up to. It was cartoonish and caricatured and unrealistic, but it was at least grounded firmly in reality. You could see your family in theirs. The things that happened were almost things that could happen to you.

Now watch "Goo Goo Gai Pan" (season sixteen), in which a Buddhist monk pulls Homer's heart out of his chest, then puts it back.

What happened to the family we loved? You know what I think? Somewhere along the line, they stopped being a family and started being cartoon characters.

7. Supporting cast no longer amount to anything

It used to be that there were lots of regular people in Springfield, with people like Sideshow Mel and Captain McAllister only turning up when it was a) relevant and b) funny. But there are no ordinary people in Springfield anymore. At all. Every crowd contains the same familiar faces. Every celebrity is Krusty, every salesman is Gil. And this cheapens them. Am I the only person who is sick of each and every one of these characters now? Sick of them all delivering exactly one line each and never amounting to anything?

Over time, these characters have all become zero-dimensional caricatures. We've got the hillbilly stereotype, the pirate stereotype, the stoner stereotype, the mad scientist stereotype, plus a dozen or so more stereotypes which The Simpsons created in its own right but are equally uninspiring.

But thing is, it wasn't always like this. In the season three episode "The Otto Show" we actually took a good look at Otto. He gained a personality. Whereas in season eleven's "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge" he gets married, but we don't spend five minutes talking to him! Because the Simpsons are the only characters who matter, that's why.

8. Dumbing down

The Simpsons used to be clever. There used to be jokes you had to be concentrating to get. There used to be jokes you had to be well-read to understand. Parodies of stuff that half the audience might never have heard of, let alone seen. That's not it anymore. What do we get instead?

We get a thing I like to call Assertion/Confirmation Exposition. It goes like this:

Character: "Statement X is true!"
[something instantly happens to prove that statement X is true]
Look out for it next time you watch the show. It's everywhere, in every episode. Look out for the bit, let's say, in "The Girl Who Slept Too Little" when Marge says "We have to stop all this construction! The noise is jiggling my grapes to the bottom of the Jello!" - then holds up a Jello with grapes at the bottom to demonstrate. Why the visual aid? Why not just have the line on its own? Why not have a scene with the noise actually jiggling the grapes to the bottom of the Jello, then Marge seeing this and saying "We have to stop all this construction!"? Answer: because you're TOO STUPID to get the joke if it's presented with any subtlety, or so the writers seem to think. Go for earlier episodes and you'll see that it wasn't always like this. Go watch Futurama and you'll see that it doesn't have to be like this either.

9. Poorer acting

If I may be frank, I am of the opinion that, while The Simpsons did hit a very bleak and genuinely unfunny spot a few years back, a lot of jokes in the show currently are still funny... on paper. Watching the show, or running through the lines again in my head certainly raises the "joke" flag; it merely fails to make me laugh. Whereas writing them down for later quotation seems to improve the humour value.

I believe that this is more than slightly due to the voice actors not putting the effort in that they used to. I wouldn't hold that against them, if they believe the show has gone down as much as I do.

10. Not funny anymore

As one quick example, here's Assertion/Confirmation Exposition's evil twin, Assertion/Contradiction Humour. Observe:

Character: "Statement X is true!"
[something instantly happens to prove that statement X is not true]
This formula finds itself used, at a rough estimate, about a THOUSAND TIMES during the course of The Simpsons. Why am I angry about this? Because it's the very definition of unfunny. Jokes are funny when something unexpected happens. After more than a decade and a half of this same joke being used over and over again, I don't know about anybody else, but I can see this one coming.

More importantly, it, like Assertion/Confirmation Exposition above, gives the audience no credit. Jokes are funnier when you need half a brain to spot them. This, on the other hand, is just writing the joke on a placard and jamming it in the viewer's face. "HEY! YOU SEE THIS? THIS HERE'S A JOKE!" Assertion/Contradiction isn't necessarily a bad way to get comedy, it's just the juxtaposition of the two events which is more lame and predictable every time. The formula becomes infinitely funnier by simply moving the contradiction elsewhere - much later in the episode, for example, or perhaps earlier in the episode, or even just not overtly stating it at all - just making it clear from what we already know about the Simpsons universe.

All the rest of my grievances feed into this one. Lack of realism makes the otherwise outlandish seem pedestrian and unfunny. Lack of wit is a consequence of dumbing down. Stale settings, over-used characters, manic plots, unenthusiastic portrayals; all these things add up to one thing. The Simpsons isn't funny any more. And it hasn't been since... well, I draw the line at the beginning of season six, but, quite frankly, pick an episode.

[Nancy's Mysterious Letter]

The death spiral began with that retarded episode where they buy the summer home

It sort of began with the revelation of "Who Shot Mr Burns". But they rebounded with Season 8, then slowly declined with Season 9.

The worst episodes I've seen are the flashback ones when they rewrite their own history. The episode set in the 1990's might be the worst one yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_90%27s_Show

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Robert Canning of IGN strongly disliked the episode, also feeling that the continuity change was not a good choice. He said, "What 'That '90s Show' did was neither cool nor interesting. Instead, it insulted lifelong Simpsons fans everywhere. With this episode, the writers chose to change the history of the Simpson family." He gave the episode a 3/10, and suggested that this episode should have been set a decade earlier to fit classic Simpsons continuity.[6] He later added that it was his least favorite episode of the nineteenth season, and that it "was an episode that [he] will be erasing from [his] personal Simpsons memory bank."[7] It was also received negatively by fans of the series, who viewed the episode as a shark jumping moment in the series

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We get a thing I like to call Assertion/Confirmation Exposition. It goes like this:

Character: "Statement X is true!"
[something instantly happens to prove that statement X is true]
Look out for it next time you watch the show. It's everywhere, in every episode. Look out for the bit, let's say, in "The Girl Who Slept Too Little" when Marge says "We have to stop all this construction! The noise is jiggling my grapes to the bottom of the Jello!" - then holds up a Jello with grapes at the bottom to demonstrate. Why the visual aid? Why not just have the line on its own? Why not have a scene with the noise actually jiggling the grapes to the bottom of the Jello, then Marge seeing this and saying "We have to stop all this construction!"? Answer: because you're TOO STUPID to get the joke if it's presented with any subtlety, or so the writers seem to think. Go for earlier episodes and you'll see that it wasn't always like this. Go watch Futurama and you'll see that it doesn't have to be like this either.

I don't know if you c/ped this ironically or not but this part is completely correct.

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

The death spiral began with that retarded episode where they buy the summer home

It sort of began with the revelation of "Who Shot Mr Burns". But they rebounded with Season 8, then slowly declined with Season 9.

The worst episodes I've seen are the flashback ones when they rewrite their own history. The episode set in the 1990's might be the worst one yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_90%27s_Show

My sentiments exactly. I used to think Who Shot Burns was the high-water mark, but there were some good episodes after that. But yeah, I can safely say that the summer home episode is when I began losing interest.

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I had a dream last night that I was going to like Los Angeles or somewhere and was going to write a story but I ran into Robert Downey Jr. And I kept bugging him about getting an interview. And he had some sickness that caused him to throw up a lot, but he said yes. We were starting the interview and I noticed my recorder had no batteries and I needed to go find some or find a notepad and a pen. And then I woke up.

and I agree with everyone on the simpsons stuff of course

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And to keep this on topic sort of:

[The Mystery on Baby Butthole Jr. Lake]

I don't know if you c/ped this ironically or not but this part is completely correct.

This is p. much what i was going to post

except replace "this part" with "basically all of it"

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edit: which episode didn't you like

The one with the Smashing Pumpkins, but I did like the boxing one even if it was the same plot.

Also I was wrong I only watched 8 I'm in 9 right now.

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Future Note: I am easy to please with the Simpsons so my decline will probably be later than y'alls

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I don't know if you c/ped this ironically or not but this part is completely correct.

This is p. much what i was going to post

except replace "this part" with "basically all of it"

Yeah the guy is generally correct, but that struck me as rather well-worded and they do it on the show ALL THE FUCKING TIME now =(

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I wrote that thanks

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Robert Canning of IGN strongly disliked the episode, also feeling that the continuity change was not a good choice. He said, "What 'That '90s Show' did was neither cool nor interesting. Instead, it insulted lifelong Simpsons fans everywhere. With this episode, the writers chose to change the history of the Simpson family." He gave the episode a 3/10, and suggested that this episode should have been set a decade earlier to fit classic Simpsons continuity.[6] He later added that it was his least favorite episode of the nineteenth season, and that it "was an episode that [he] will be erasing from [his] personal Simpsons memory bank."[7] It was also received negatively by fans of the series, who viewed the episode as a shark jumping moment in the series

hahaha there are people who are paid (presumably) to rate simpsons episodes on a decimal scale

also: All my dreams involve your mother.

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All my dreams involve .

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Is it worth going on past season 10

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Might as well try it for a bit to confirm it gets p. bad

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Not really. 11 is when it really really gets bad.

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Is this thread real? Did you not watch the Simpsons?

The trash episode was one of the funniest episodes and that was in Season 9. But it was an exception at that point.

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Hi Brian.

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The trash episode? You mean every episode from season 8 on out, give or take?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU8WwZpI-i8&feature=related

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Season 10 is the end... 11 has a few good ones, 12 like one.

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What's the best season? Is it season 8? I dunno it does have my favorite episodes in it

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3

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followed by 4 and then 2

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Bullshit

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

Whichever one had the monorail one

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that'd be 4

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Either 3, or 4.

2 is a favorite of mine but it isnt as funny as a lot of 3-8. I just enjoyed the writing from that season a lot.