UFC 110

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So Joe Stevenson fucked up my parlay bet and had to go and blow his fight against that fucking Aussie Sotiropoulous or however the fuck you spell his last name. And then, THEN, goddamn Velasquez goes and wins? What the fuck? Now all we're gonna have to hear about is how he's gonna be the one that beats Lesnar blah blah blah fuck that. I hope he gets AIDS.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

What the fuck did I tell you about Velasquez.

Dude is the real deal, he's got the strength of Lesnar but his dirty boxing is ridiculously fast, and the time/motion is awesome. He's able to contort his body to avoid incoming blows as he's punching. He reminds me of a sloppier Fedor, in a way that he focuses on intelligent attacks (despite brutally fast) and only goes to the ground to pound the hell out of someone's face. Nogueira came out the same way Rothwell went in, expecting to counter-attack Cain and take him to the ground. Whoops!

Other notable tidbits about that night:
-Ryan Bader just beat Keith Jardine. So, that means I guess we have to talk about Ryan Bader being for real, since he beat the gatekeeper
-Cro Cop still has it. Even though he only beat some British dude who I've never fucking heard of.
-I really should give up in thinking Michael Bisping can beat fucking anyone

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Cain does not have the strength of Lesnar (None of the heavyweights do, let's be realistic), and I think your definition of dirty boxing is incorrect. Dirty boxing is what Randy does inside the clinch. Sloppier Fedor? Really? Fedor's striking is sloppy as fuck and I don't think you will find a lot of MMA analysts that disagree. That's why he's always breaking his hands. Cain's striking looked really technical on Saturday, not at all like Fedor's sloppy looping overhand rights. I'm going to disagree with you about being able to contort his body to avoid blows. He isn't Machida and he ate that right from Nogueira, hence his nose bleeding at the end of the fight, but Nogueria just didn't have the strength or speed to really tag him with it. I'm also going to disagree with you about Nog's strategy. My guess is he actually expected to fight Cain from his back. Judging from the Kongo fight, Cain's ground and pound looked awful, so I'd imagine that Nog was banking on fighting from the guard and working a sweep or submission off of his back. I don't think he expected to stand and trade with Cain. Cain's nickname was pillowfists coming into this fight, so I don't think anyone expected him to knock the shit out of Nog. I certainly didn't. The speed with which he's improving is gross.

Now, that said, I'm unfortunately forced to acknowledge that Cain is legit despite the fact that I really don't like him. I'm assuming he's going to get Lesnar next since I don't expect Mir or Carwin to come out of their fight unscathed, but if he doesn't, I'd love to see him fight JDS, and have the winner of that fight get next shot after Mir or Carwin. Also, I imagine they'll give Nog the loser of the Mir/Carwin fight.

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Cain does not have the strength of Lesnar (None of the heavyweights do, let's be realistic), and I think your definition of dirty boxing is incorrect. Dirty boxing is what Randy does inside the clinch. Sloppier Fedor? Really? Fedor's striking is sloppy as fuck and I don't think you will find a lot of MMA analysts that disagree. That's why he's always breaking his hands. Cain's striking looked really technical on Saturday, not at all like Fedor's sloppy looping overhand rights. I'm going to disagree with you about being able to contort his body to avoid blows. He isn't Machida and he ate that right from Nogueira, hence his nose bleeding at the end of the fight, but Nogueria just didn't have the strength or speed to really tag him with it. I'm also going to disagree with you about Nog's strategy. My guess is he actually expected to fight Cain from his back. Judging from the Kongo fight, Cain's ground and pound looked awful, so I'd imagine that Nog was banking on fighting from the guard and working a sweep or submission off of his back. I don't think he expected to stand and trade with Cain. Cain's nickname was pillowfists coming into this fight, so I don't think anyone expected him to knock the shit out of Nog. I certainly didn't. The speed with which he's improving is gross.

First off, perhaps I exaggerated Cain's strength, but.. pound-for-pound, I still consider him stronger than Lesnar.
And Cain's boxing IS sloppy. Sloppy hardcore. Worse than Fedor's. Fedor tends to lumber and throw his body into his punches, it's true, but Cain tends to just wham with no form or technicality, which is fine because he usually will only shed his form when he's really got the opponent in trouble.
You also don't really understand when I talk about contorting his body from blows. Machida is a counter-attacker, using timing, leaping, and a fundamental stance to get around blows. What I was talking about was more about the ability of Cain to avoid punches while throwing them... as in a person will walk in with a punch and Cain can throw an incredibly powerful counter-punch while ducking out of the way, and when Cain goes into crazy-mode and just knocks on people, he is incredibly smart as to not get caught off-guard with a crazy punch. I disagree with him walking into Nogueira's punch, Nog just clipped him.

And no one has called him 'pillowfists' in quite some time. That's heavily dated. He knocked the fuck out of Rothwell and did the same to Nog. You're going to be seeing that a lot.

[Webcam ham.]

Knocked the fuck out of Rothwell? Hardly. He took him down and kept punching him but Rothwell wasn't in danger of being knocked out. Granted he was being beaten to shit, but eating an assload of punches will do that. And yes, he was called pillowfists after this fight as well, so it's not really dated.

I'm going to disagree with you entirely about his striking. While his boxing certainly isn't as good as JDS or Rashad's, I certainly wouldn't call it sloppy. Wanderlei has some fuckin sloppy striking. Cain does not. And ducking out of the way? Did you see the shots he ate from Kongo? He also ate them from Nog. I don't know where you're getting this idea. His head movement is not that good. And I didn't say he walked into that right from Nog. I said he ate it. He did.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

Wanderlei's boxing is as sloppy as Cain's. Perhaps if you think "punching as fast as you fucking can" is great boxing, then yeah, Cain's a champ, but since in real life, people don't...

And he took Rothwell to the floor with punches multiple times that match. That's 'knocked the fuck out.' Just because Rothwell kept getting up, doesn't mean he wasn't getting knocked down.

I'm tired of hearing what Cain did against Congo. That was one of his weaker fights. Watch any other fight and you see what Velasquez can do.

Also, while we're on the subject of UFC:
http://www.mmaconvert.com/2010/02/22/frank-mir-wants-to-break-brock-lesnars-neck/

[Webcam ham.]

Yeah, Mir is an idiot. We all know that. I mean he is probably going to beat Carwin but I would love for him to get knocked the fuck out.

When did Cain throw looping wide punches as fast as he could? Really, you're going to compare him to Wand? That's retarded. Wand has always thrown those wide punches, but the game has evolved to the point where they are no longer effective, hence his suckness since he's come to UFC from Pride. If I wanted to call punching as fast as you can great boxing, then I would call Vitor the best of them. But since he's a bit loopy with his punches also, I'm not going to.

Ok, gonna watch this Rothwell-Velasquez fight right now again just to show you how wrong you are.

http://mmahits.com/fight-video/mma-video/ufc-104-cain-velasquez-vs-ben-rothwell-fight-video/

Round 1
0:25 Cain gets a single leg takedown.
0:40 Rothwell tries to get up but Cain is holding on to his bottom leg.
0:55 Cain picks Rothwell up as he's trying to get up and puts him back on the ground
1:10 Rothwell gets up and Cain secures another takedown with some wrestling hold
1:45 Cain gets another single leg takedown and goes into side control. Starts dropping elbows here
3:20 Cain is riding Rothwell's back here and regains top control with a neck crank
4:15 Rothwell stood up and Cain gets a double leg takedown
End of the first. At no point in that round did Cain drop Rothwell with punches. He had some good ground and pound and dropped some good shots from the top, but at no time was Rothwell rocked. Let's move on to round two.

Round 2
0:15 Cain gets a single leg takedown
0:55 Cain is throwing shots as Rothwell is standing back up and ref stops the fight

You're wrong man. Watch this fight again. This is a wrestling and GnP clinic. Rothwell was not KTFO or dropped (or rocked even) by any shot at any time. Sorry dude.

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Look at the fight, man. At no point did Kazuya dominate Heihachi. He didn't even land an EWGF, it was just u/f+3 W!, f+4 B!, d/f+3,2,1