Brian II

[Webcam ham.]

It's a shame I have to come out here and show off my advanced intelligence you, you gelatinous tapeworm parasite, of how much of a true legend I am. I am the best in the world at what I do and I have statistics to prove it to you, you hypocrite. I'm a 9 time intercontinental champion, which by the way, I broke my own record. I am a 5 time soon to be 6 time world champion. I am one half of the unified tag team champions. I am responsible for team smackdown's victory at bragging rights because of the team I assembled. All of you gelatinous tapeworms hypocritical parasites will bow down to me because I am the reason why AAT is what it is today. And without me you're nothing.

[The Chocolate-Covered Contest]

Jericho lost the tag team belt beyond that good current post

Also MMA and wrestling are two different things I don't get why people need turf wars over it

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

I thought MMA was feuding with boxing, with both retreating from relevance daily.

[Webcam ham.]

I think everyone else is feuding with MMA (UFC in particular), but UFC isn't feuding with anyone but Strikeforce (A smaller MMA promotion).

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

How is MMA retreating from relevance daily? OVK still lives in some sort of dreamworld.

[Webcam ham.]

It explains why UFC has become a billion dollar company.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

This thread does suck though

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

The MMA has largely vanished from the mainstream sports media's eye because it was treated like a fad and the fad is over.

[Webcam ham.]

http://espn.go.com/mma/

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

http://espn.go.com/boxing/

[Webcam ham.]

Boxing has a large fanbase. MMA has a large fanbase. What's your point?

Edit:
Oh you're trying to say that boxing is slipping into being irrelevant. This is because boxing can't get it's shit together. If it were to actually, you know, put on good fights, this wouldn't be an issue. But with your shitton of weight classes and promotions and leagues or whatever the fuck and 20 different title holders in every weight class and your marquee fighters unwilling to fight, it would come right back into contention. MMA, UFC in particular, doesn't really have these problems. So I don't know on what you're basing this opinion.

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

I'm well aware that boxing is full of shit right now and is operating on a hopelessly broken system. My point is that MMA isn't any more relevant than boxing is today. They're equal in terms of people giving a shit about either of them.

[Webcam ham.]

Except that UFC managed to grow their revenue by 20% during a recession.

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

Congrats, the UFC hit the $1 billion mark. At this rate, it'll overcome MLS in no time.

[Webcam ham.]

So because it's not bigger than MLS it's sliding into, but it's grown exponentially in a relatively short time, it's sliding into irrelevancy? That doesn't even make sense.

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

How is MMA doing outside of UFC? And by "irrelevancy" I mean media hype, where the big bucks lie.

[The Girl Who Couldn't Remember]

How is MMA doing outside of UFC? And by "irrelevancy" I mean media hype, where the big bucks lie.

How is baseball doing outside of MLB

I hate MMA but even I admit that this is retarded

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

How is baseball doing outside of the MLB? You've just asked the stupidest fucking question ever, and you pretty much pump out stupid fucking questions like you need a quota.

edit: I can't believe CK beat me to that.

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

Okay let's assume that UFC is the standard of MMA. How often has a UFC match/program appeared on broadcast TV compared to the MLS? How much more attention is a UFC Heavyweight Title bout gets over the MLS Cup game?

[The Girl Who Couldn't Remember]

Okay let's assume that UFC is the standard of MMA. How often has a UFC match/program appeared on broadcast TV compared to the MLS? How much more attention is a UFC Heavyweight Title bout gets over the MLS Cup game?

Where the fuck does MLS air? At least MMA has been on CBS a few times...

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

MLS airs on ABC every now and then, and on ESPN2. The championship game was on ESPN.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

Okay let's assume that UFC is the standard of MMA. How often has a UFC match/program appeared on broadcast TV compared to the MLS? How much more attention is a UFC Heavyweight Title bout gets over the MLS Cup game?

Another really stupid question. UFC commercials broadcast on the majority of VIACOM owned stations. I have never seen an MLS commercial outside of ESPN. Yet, forget about this, UFC is a totally different beast: people pay 40-60 bucks to watch ONE UFC event on television... do you think anyone would pay that to watch MLS?

[The Girl Who Couldn't Remember]

Yes OVK, MMA is PPV-oriented, not TV oriented, like boxing, you should understand this and yet you compared it to Major League Soccer for some reason

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

So then you're admitting that it's back to being a niche PPV-dominated sport.

[Webcam ham.]

OVK, provide proof that MMA is somehow reverting into irrelevancy before you fire off any more fucking retarded questions. You have not provided any sort of insightful argument to support your point whatsoever.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

So then you're admitting that it's back to being a niche PPV-dominated sport.

Yes, UFC, which you compared to MLS, is PPV-dominated. MMA, which you weren't talking about, isn't, because it's broadcasted on CBS.

You know, let's all have a moment of silence for OVK's braincells. He's really lost his marbles on this one.

[Webcam ham.]

It's PPV-dominated, but let's not forget the viewers that the fight nights, The Ultimate Fighter, and the free prelim fights on Spike bring in.

[Rock Band Vuvuzela]

Okay let's assume that UFC is the standard of MMA. How often has a UFC match/program appeared on broadcast TV compared to the MLS? How much more attention is a UFC Heavyweight Title bout gets over the MLS Cup game?

Where the fuck does MLS air? At least MMA has been on CBS a few times...

MLS is on weekly on ESPN during the season you asshole. The 2009 MLS Cup Final was possibly the greatest MLS Cup Final of all time. The LA Galaxy were heavy favorites against Real Salt Lake. LA's team was a bunch of jackasses featuring the likes of David BECKHAM, Landon DONOVAN and Eddie LEWIS. Despite the big names, LA was defeated 5-4 on penalty kicks. This game was also the breakout game for American Robbie FINDLEY, who was previously cut by LA Galaxy because they wanted the BIG NAMES of Donovan and Beckham.

And it was attended by 46,011 people. That's more than the average attendance of the New York Mets. So suck it CK.

[Rock Band Vuvuzela]

Furthermore, a minuscule 9,793 people paid to watch UFC 100. So suck it Vinnie/Jukai.

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

Okay, first I was scolded for focusing on MMA at large and not just on UFC, now we're back to looking at MMA at large and not just UFC.

Okay, re: CBS: the last fight to be on CBS was... November 7. The next fight to be scheduled for CBS will be... at least three months from now, if ever (nothing is scheduled yet).

As for the Nov. 7 fight, featuring I guess MMA's most legit star Fedor Emelianko, it drew a rating of 3.8 million, which according to this guy (http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2009/11/4/1114505/the-ratings-game-for-strikeforce), is about right for ordinary CBS programming on the night in question.

The only thing you've guys established is that MMA briefly caught the eye of the TV world outside of cable and PPVs, and has since slunked back to being on par with boxing. MMA may be growing but it's still a tiny fish in the ocean compared to other sports.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

Okay let's assume that UFC is the standard of MMA. How often has a UFC match/program appeared on broadcast TV compared to the MLS? How much more attention is a UFC Heavyweight Title bout gets over the MLS Cup game?

Where the fuck does MLS air? At least MMA has been on CBS a few times...

MLS is on weekly on ESPN during the season you asshole. The 2009 MLS Cup Final was possibly the greatest MLS Cup Final of all time. The LA Galaxy were heavy favorites against Real Salt Lake. LA's team was a bunch of jackasses featuring the likes of David BECKHAM, Landon DONOVAN and Eddie LEWIS. Despite the big names, LA was defeated 5-4 on penalty kicks. This game was also the breakout game for American Robbie FINDLEY, who was previously cut by LA Galaxy because they wanted the BIG NAMES of Donovan and Beckham.

And it was attended by 46,011 people. That's more than the average attendance of the New York Mets. So suck it CK.

You sound like a whining baby. I'd actually care about Beckham, Donovan, Lewis and Findley if they threw a football or shot a basketball or hit a baseball or, you know, played a real sport. Soccer is for losers and Europeans, it will never catch on here.

Just to throw it out, the 2009 MLS Cup Final's generated a .9 household rating. Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers, a non-title fight, generated 2.5.

So MLS isn't even as big as strikeforce. And strikeforce is half the size of UFC.
HMMMM!

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

Okay, first I was scolded for focusing on MMA at large and not just on UFC, now we're back to looking at MMA at large and not just UFC.

Okay, re: CBS: the last fight to be on CBS was... November 7. The next fight to be scheduled for CBS will be... at least three months from now, if ever (nothing is scheduled yet).

As for the Nov. 7 fight, featuring I guess MMA's most legit star Fedor Emelianko, it drew a rating of 3.8 million, which according to this guy (http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2009/11/4/1114505/the-ratings-game-for-strikeforce), is about right for ordinary CBS programming on the night in question.

The only thing you've guys established is that MMA briefly caught the eye of the TV world outside of cable and PPVs, and has since slunked back to being on par with boxing. MMA may be growing but it's still a tiny fish in the ocean compared to other sports.

Yes, MMA is a growing sport that is still not as big as the baseball, football, basketball, and hockey. Is that the point you are trying to make? Then why all the retarded questions that just made you look like you had no knowledge of the situation what so ever?

[Rock Band Vuvuzela]

Keep in mind that MLS is largely considered, at best, a developmental league for the United States men's national team and for American players to gain experience before going to overseas league. Younger players like Sacha Kljestan (Chivas USA) and Heath Pearce (FC Dallas) get to play regular league football at a competitive level that they would never get otherwise. The whole MLS experiment is considered a success as some of the players that have come through the system are some of the better players in the English Premier League, such as Tim Howard on Everton and Clint Dempsey on Fulham. Furthermore, younger players like Jozy Altidore (Villareal), who came through the NY Red Bulls, have potential to be world class players

If Strikeforce isn't even half of UFC, then that's like comparing MLS to EPL. Do you want to compare UFC ratings to EPL?

Oh, and then there is the World Cup in June/July, which will receive BILLIONS of viewers.

No one cares about MMA. It's a fad amongst young adults with a disposable income, which is the only reason why it is on CBS.

[Rock Band Vuvuzela]

Also they fix matches

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

I have little knowledge of the UFC because it is relegated to Spike TV and Versus. And yes, my point is that MMA is still very much a niche sport despite its growth, and that's the point I've been making all along when Vinnie said "OVK, provide proof that MMA is somehow reverting into irrelevancy before you fire off any more fucking retarded questions. You have not provided any sort of insightful argument to support your point whatsoever."

My proof is that CBS had its little dalliance with the MMA, watched it blow up in its face, and said "No thanks" to any real participation. If that is not a retreat into irrelevancy I don't know what is.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

So you're saying the MLS is like... the minor leagues of baseball or, better yet, the D-League of basketball? Fantastic, I'm running with it.

Also, comparing the World Cup with UFC is crazy. I see you're jumping from American telvision to world wide, because you have no argument on the American side. There is no unified MMA circuit for the worlds like soccer has. There are too many leagues (WEC, UFC, Strikeforce, Dream, DEEP, etc. etc.) to ever organize some sort of world tournament. So it really is a stupid comparison.

Both Strikeforce and UFC are American MMA organizations, so I compared it to the one American soccer organization. Both of which kill the MLS.

Soccer still is boring as hell though.

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

I think his point is that soccer is of course the most popular sport in the world, which is really the ultimate trump no matter how well MMA does in the US.

Also I would argue that boxing is more popular worldwide than MMA. By a wide margin.

You also haven't explained how MMA being on broadcast TV all of two times before being unceremoniously dumped means it is not in retreat from the public conscience.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

I have little knowledge of the UFC because it is relegated to Spike TV and Versus. And yes, my point is that MMA is still very much a niche sport despite its growth, and that's the point I've been making all along when Vinnie said "OVK, provide proof that MMA is somehow reverting into irrelevancy before you fire off any more fucking retarded questions. You have not provided any sort of insightful argument to support your point whatsoever."

My proof is that CBS had its little dalliance with the MMA, watched it blow up in its face, and said "No thanks" to any real participation. If that is not a retreat into irrelevancy I don't know what is.

Do you not get cable? Is your hostra education not paying the bills?

Let me explain what Vinnie said in simpler terms, because I don't have any hand puppets to help you understand this concept. Vinnie asked you to provide proof that the MMA is somehow reverting back into irrelevancy. You just said that MMA is growing, despite still being a niche sport. Then you're telling me that you've proven your point, despite the original point was to prove that MMA is shrinking.
Also, CBS had a 5 million joint Strikeforce/M1 show that garnered a 2.5 household rating along with 5 million+ worldwide viewers for the final Rogers v Fedor fight which just happened TWO months ago... TWO MONTHS ago... so how has it blown up in their faces? Can I get some sort of link to this?

I think his point is that soccer is of course the most popular sport in the world, which is really the ultimate trump no matter how well MMA does in the US.

Also I would argue that boxing is more popular worldwide than MMA. By a wide margin.

You also haven't explained how MMA being on broadcast TV all of two times before being unceremoniously dumped means it is not in retreat from the public conscience.

If that was his point, that soccer is the most popular sport in the world, he's right. Soccer is more popular than most American sports combined. Apparently Europeans like a sport with giant fields and a lot of running and holding and whining. Oh well.
Boxing is still more popular, but boxing is shrinking drastically and UFC is gaining popularity drastically. Sooner than you are claiming, UFC will overtake boxing in popularity. Especially, as someone previously said, with like 50 weight classes where marquee fighters don't fight each other.

Also, I think you're confusing Strikeforce with EliteXC...

[The Clue of the Tapping Heels]

Did you miss the part where I said there have been a grand total of two MMA bouts on broadcast TV and now nobody wants to touch it for the forseeable future? MMA is growing but not at an exponential rate. It had its moment in the sun and squandered it on the back of a homeless guy, and right now it's quite clearly reverted back to cable/PPV land with the rest of the niche sports.

[sexual tyrannosaurus]

Do you even know what Strikeforce and CBS' agreement are? All non-marquee fights are broadcasted on SHOWTIME (non-ppv) and all major matches are broadcasted on CBS, until CBS no longer wants to broadcast them. Currently, CBS hasn't dropped anything. You're making things up.

edit: Ah, by 'homeless guy' you meant Kimbo Slice. Yep, you are thinking of EliteXC. Congratulations. Just go back to admitting you don't really know anything about UFC and go back to posting about meaningless regular season baseball games. Shoo.